Dice setting is a way for the shooter on a crap game to arrange the dice before sending them into orbit. Some players like to set the dice on seven (6-1, 5-2 or 4-3) before the come-out roll. Some players like to set them on the pass line number (4,5,6,8,9,10).
In most casinos, if you set the dice quickly, the stickman won't care, but if you take a long time, they will tell you not to set the dice. Not because they are afraid of your ability to control the outcome of the dice, but because they want to get the next roll in.
The first shooter, well, he kept fiddling with the dice and eventually the stickman told him a couple times to "hurry up" and he said he wanted to get the dice on 5-5 before shooting them. After that, each time the stickman retrieved the dice, he set them on 5-5 and sent them back to the shooter. Problem solved. He proceeded to make the ten and about a dozen other points during a 40-minute hand. Awesome!
At the other end of the table was a fellow who professed to have a "system." He set the dice quickly and arranged them according to what his point was. During a two-hour session he got the dice four times and his longest hand was three points.
Because he rarely bet anything but the pass line with odds, and only bet a decent amount on himself, he was one of the few players at the table who wasn't rock'in with chips. And, while making low house advantage bets helps your bankroll most of the time, it isn't as much fun. I probably made 50 bets on "eleven," which has a huge house advantage, but it only cost me $8 during a two hour session. I was having fun, I can eat the $8.
Even with his setting and "special" arm movement to control the dice, his session was lousy. I don't mention this to say dice control doesn't work, only that anybody can have a good session and anybody can have a crappy session.
If you want to try dice setting and control, great, but keep track of your sessions before you ever try it - and then play several dozen times after putting in the time to learn. Then, compare your notes. And then, let me know how it goes. I might even print some results here.
I know a lot of blackjack card counters who have been winning consistent money for years. I'm waiting for just a few dice setters to prove they have similar results. Anybody?
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I do believe that some people can do successful dice setting, but have never seen it work for a shooter yet. Given that observation, I am loading up on the Dont when I see a guy taking a half hour to set the dice.
- Game Designer of My Craps Game
Well I have read many books on dice setting and did practice for about 5 years (including setting up my own table in my garage) I still set the dice but only so I can track what dips and turns my dice take on there way down the table. I am short and would rather shoot from an end rather than be close along the sides.
Normally I will have at least one decent roll each session. Most of my money made is not from the point being won but from hitting any point number and “pushing & pulling” the bets. First the opposite point, then inside, and finally all table numbers until I seven out.
I am still skeptical of dice control, but I wanted to comment on the “guy who did not have fun”. There are different motivations for individuals who gamble. He was making the second best bet on the table. The only other one that would reduce his odds even more would be the Don’t Pass Line, but only about .02.
I used to play craps for a living–more like survival. With proper money management and systematic play, it can be done. It is no fun. It is a grind. If an individual is impatient or greedy, s/he will not be successful.
This person may or may not know how to maximize her wins but I bet she never loses much when the table does not go her way.
In addition, I have never found a game so intriguing as Craps. You met all kinds of people who gamble in different ways for various reasons. Good Luck
WOW! OMG! Professional Pool Players, Dart Players, Golfers all have the same things in common. Excellent eye-hand coordination through using Correct Technique and Extreme Practice to bring results. The best Setters won’t guarantee a specific number on a given roll but will give odds on hitting their number more often than a non-setter and will give higher odds against a seven-out. Some of the best dice setters are in the Midwest, I’ve seen them and I aspire to be one of them. If you are lucky enough to be a part of a session with a master setter, you won’t ever forget it.
Dice setters usually have a better knowledge of the game, and they generally play sober.
These two factors alone will improve their outcome.
By utilizing basic strategy, and staying with bets with a low house advantage how could one not improve their outcome overall, when compared to amateurs that make proposition and hard way bets frequently, and don’t have any money management skills.
The comments here are excellent. Personally, I like to throw the dice a certain way all the time. Does it help? Probably not, but it’s comfortable.
I may have to put the time in to learn “control” at some point, but for now, I bet the line and take double odds, bet the opposite side of the dice from my number or bet the inside numbers and take the four and ten only with a bet won from an inside number payoff. After I have everything covered, I start taking a payoff and then pressing, pay and press, pay and press.
No, the odds are not “with me” on these bets, but when a good hand flies, my rack fills up. If it’s choppy or point-seven, point-seven, I don’t get so deep in the hole that I can’t climb back out.
Have fun, win some……………….
I doubt that dice control works. I have read many accounts of blackjack card counters being barred, but I’ve never read about even a single instance of a dice controller being kicked out. The craps table is huge and its sides are spiky. Controlling the dice in such an environment seems highly unlikely.